Kevin Kruse & Julian Zelizer on history’s lessons for defeating Trump & Trumpism

Historians Kevin Kruse and Julian Zelizer join us for a discussion of their new book, “Fault Lines: A History of the United States Since 1974.” In this interview, we focus mostly on Trump & Trumpism, including how we got here and how we (can we?) get out.

Among the topics we discuss: the border wall battle; Kevin’s relentless fact-checking of Dinesh D’Souza; the lack of comity in American politics and whether it’s historically significant and poses a unique danger; the role of historians and media as fact-checkers in Trump’s America; how Mitch McConnell enabled democracy’s downfall; and how we survive the Trump era and get America back on track, including whether impeachment is the answer. Yes, this episode even ends on a hopeful note.

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